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> <channel><title>Comments on: Afghanistan: The Information Is Not Beautiful</title> <atom:link href="http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/afghanistan-the-information-is-not-beautiful/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/afghanistan-the-information-is-not-beautiful/?utm_source=rss&#038;utm_medium=rss&#038;utm_campaign=afghanistan-the-information-is-not-beautiful</link> <description>Ideas, issues, knowledge, data - visualized!</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:11:21 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: vanderleun</title><link>http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/afghanistan-the-information-is-not-beautiful/comment-page-1/#comment-4432</link> <dc:creator>vanderleun</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:34:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/?p=871#comment-4432</guid> <description>I like this site, but could you please comment on and clarify the measured criticism of this item at Political Math.URL:http://politicalmath.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/bad-visualizations-david-mccandless-lets-politics-get-in-the-way/It says, among other things, that:he problem is that McCandless doesnâ€™t source that number. I said to myself â€œ71,700 hired guns? That seems high.â€ It didnâ€™t pass the smell test.I looked into the number. Near as I can tell, its basically a huge mistake on McCandlessâ€™ part. He didnâ€™t source where he got the â€œ71,700 private security contractorsâ€ stat and he didnâ€™t say anything when I tweeted to him to ask where he got it. And he didnâ€™t respond in the comments section of his blog when I asked. So I had to go searching for it.It looks like the number comes from this Washington Times piece which mentions that there are 71,700 contractors, not all of whom are private security contractors. And yet McCandless not only changes this important data point (HUGE no-no in my book), he goes on to push the point with his â€œhired gunsâ€ comment.Why would he do such a thing? My guess is that he doesnâ€™t like the war in Afghanistan, so that kind of makes it OK to push a â€œmercenariesâ€ point of view by lumping all contractors into the â€œprivate securityâ€ category.Are you teaching in Kabul? Youâ€™re a â€œhired gunâ€.Building a bridge? Youâ€™re a â€œhired gunâ€.Flying supplies in? â€œHired gun.â€Maintaining a network for the government? â€œHired gun.â€Working as a translator? â€œHired gun.â€Itâ€™s basically a data labeling mistake made worse by an wildly inaccurate (and, frankly, quite stupid) comment.The reason itâ€™s taken me so long to get to this is because I didnâ€™t want to say anything bad about Mr. McCandless without giving him a chance to explain. Itâ€™s obvious to me that heâ€™s not going to. If he does, Iâ€™ll post his explanation at the top of this post. But itâ€™s given me new insight into the old saw that a lie is half-way around the world before the truth can get its pants on. Being right and being generous to others is something that takes caution and time.
===It seems to me that you must answer this in some wise if you are to preserve integrity.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this site, but could you please comment on and clarify the measured criticism of this item at Political Math.</p><p>URL:</p><p><a
href="http://politicalmath.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/bad-visualizations-david-mccandless-lets-politics-get-in-the-way/" rel="nofollow">http://politicalmath.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/bad-visualizations-david-mccandless-lets-politics-get-in-the-way/</a></p><p>It says, among other things, that:</p><p>he problem is that McCandless doesnâ€™t source that number. I said to myself â€œ71,700 hired guns? That seems high.â€ It didnâ€™t pass the smell test.</p><p>I looked into the number. Near as I can tell, its basically a huge mistake on McCandlessâ€™ part. He didnâ€™t source where he got the â€œ71,700 private security contractorsâ€ stat and he didnâ€™t say anything when I tweeted to him to ask where he got it. And he didnâ€™t respond in the comments section of his blog when I asked. So I had to go searching for it.</p><p>It looks like the number comes from this Washington Times piece which mentions that there are 71,700 contractors, not all of whom are private security contractors. And yet McCandless not only changes this important data point (HUGE no-no in my book), he goes on to push the point with his â€œhired gunsâ€ comment.</p><p>Why would he do such a thing? My guess is that he doesnâ€™t like the war in Afghanistan, so that kind of makes it OK to push a â€œmercenariesâ€ point of view by lumping all contractors into the â€œprivate securityâ€ category.</p><p>Are you teaching in Kabul? Youâ€™re a â€œhired gunâ€.</p><p>Building a bridge? Youâ€™re a â€œhired gunâ€.</p><p>Flying supplies in? â€œHired gun.â€</p><p>Maintaining a network for the government? â€œHired gun.â€</p><p>Working as a translator? â€œHired gun.â€</p><p>Itâ€™s basically a data labeling mistake made worse by an wildly inaccurate (and, frankly, quite stupid) comment.</p><p>The reason itâ€™s taken me so long to get to this is because I didnâ€™t want to say anything bad about Mr. McCandless without giving him a chance to explain. Itâ€™s obvious to me that heâ€™s not going to. If he does, Iâ€™ll post his explanation at the top of this post. But itâ€™s given me new insight into the old saw that a lie is half-way around the world before the truth can get its pants on. Being right and being generous to others is something that takes caution and time.<br
/> ===</p><p>It seems to me that you must answer this in some wise if you are to preserve integrity.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: RohbTC</title><link>http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/afghanistan-the-information-is-not-beautiful/comment-page-1/#comment-3967</link> <dc:creator>RohbTC</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:53:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/?p=871#comment-3967</guid> <description>The high amount of Canadian casualties are due to the fact that they are responsible for the most dangerous area: Kandahar province.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The high amount of Canadian casualties are due to the fact that they are responsible for the most dangerous area: Kandahar province.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sporcupine</title><link>http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/afghanistan-the-information-is-not-beautiful/comment-page-1/#comment-3957</link> <dc:creator>Sporcupine</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:58:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/?p=871#comment-3957</guid> <description>The Canadian portion hit me hard, making me feel the tenacity of others and the sloppiness of my own U.S. for so much of a decade.  The ache is another sign that the design works.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Canadian portion hit me hard, making me feel the tenacity of others and the sloppiness of my own U.S. for so much of a decade.  The ache is another sign that the design works.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: MetaEd</title><link>http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/afghanistan-the-information-is-not-beautiful/comment-page-1/#comment-3956</link> <dc:creator>MetaEd</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:57:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/?p=871#comment-3956</guid> <description>The visualization is wrong for British Troop Fatalities as % of force.Your 2009 circle is the same size as your 2008 circle. Based on the numbers reported on the chart, it should be 2/3 larger than your 2008 circle. It should be close to the same size as the 2006 circle.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The visualization is wrong for British Troop Fatalities as % of force.</p><p>Your 2009 circle is the same size as your 2008 circle. Based on the numbers reported on the chart, it should be 2/3 larger than your 2008 circle. It should be close to the same size as the 2006 circle.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matthias</title><link>http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/afghanistan-the-information-is-not-beautiful/comment-page-1/#comment-3955</link> <dc:creator>Matthias</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:47:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/?p=871#comment-3955</guid> <description>Where did you get the data for the troops deployed? I didn&#039;t see a link for the &quot;Private Security Contractors&quot; data... can you point me to the right numbers for that?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did you get the data for the troops deployed? I didn&#8217;t see a link for the &#8220;Private Security Contractors&#8221; data&#8230; can you point me to the right numbers for that?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Cloned Poster</title><link>http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/afghanistan-the-information-is-not-beautiful/comment-page-1/#comment-3905</link> <dc:creator>Cloned Poster</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:25:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/?p=871#comment-3905</guid> <description>It was always said that the Canadians were doing some &quot;heavy lifting&quot; in Afghanistan, they are.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was always said that the Canadians were doing some &#8220;heavy lifting&#8221; in Afghanistan, they are.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Qarlos</title><link>http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/afghanistan-the-information-is-not-beautiful/comment-page-1/#comment-3886</link> <dc:creator>Qarlos</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:50:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/?p=871#comment-3886</guid> <description>Canadian troops are getting hit because they are in the Pushtun heartland (Kandahar), home of the Students (Taliban) and the Canucks don&#039;t have helicopters nor very well armoured personel carriers. Most casualties are from mined roads (IEDs). Canuckistanis are sacrificed so our politicians might have a say at the NATO table. So they say in Ottawa.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canadian troops are getting hit because they are in the Pushtun heartland (Kandahar), home of the Students (Taliban) and the Canucks don&#8217;t have helicopters nor very well armoured personel carriers. Most casualties are from mined roads (IEDs). Canuckistanis are sacrificed so our politicians might have a say at the NATO table. So they say in Ottawa.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Diversity</title><link>http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/afghanistan-the-information-is-not-beautiful/comment-page-1/#comment-3844</link> <dc:creator>Diversity</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:21:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/?p=871#comment-3844</guid> <description>As always, you punch home significant data.If you revisit the subject, two points:The fall in numers of civilians killed by coalition forces looks significant: it is the first (mildly) promising figure for the coalition for years - if confirmed.You have not picked up all the coalition forces nor casualties. The Spanish soldiers dying in Afghanistan are a recurrent item in the Madrid papers</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, you punch home significant data.</p><p>If you revisit the subject, two points:</p><p>The fall in numers of civilians killed by coalition forces looks significant: it is the first (mildly) promising figure for the coalition for years &#8211; if confirmed.</p><p>You have not picked up all the coalition forces nor casualties. The Spanish soldiers dying in Afghanistan are a recurrent item in the Madrid papers</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JP</title><link>http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/afghanistan-the-information-is-not-beautiful/comment-page-1/#comment-3665</link> <dc:creator>JP</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:48:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/?p=871#comment-3665</guid> <description>Very interesting figures and visualization, thanks.Can you do a comparison to Iraq?Does the data show any correlation between the use and improvement of IEDs in Iraq to the use of them in Afghanistan?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting figures and visualization, thanks.</p><p>Can you do a comparison to Iraq?</p><p>Does the data show any correlation between the use and improvement of IEDs in Iraq to the use of them in Afghanistan?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joe</title><link>http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/afghanistan-the-information-is-not-beautiful/comment-page-1/#comment-3655</link> <dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:45:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/?p=871#comment-3655</guid> <description>Another thought @ Canadian casualties could be the terrain, their equipment, their training, their skills, their leadership, and so on. Could be a lot of factors--we just need more data, right? Still, it&#039;s sobering.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thought @ Canadian casualties could be the terrain, their equipment, their training, their skills, their leadership, and so on. Could be a lot of factors&#8211;we just need more data, right? Still, it&#8217;s sobering.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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