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	<title>Comments on: Climate Change: A Consensus Among Scientists?</title>
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		<title>By: Bern</title>
		<link>http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/climate-change-a-consensus-among-scientists/comment-page-3/#comment-20131</link>
		<dc:creator>Bern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 07:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anxious Medic:  You&#039;re right, 10,000 is quite a large enough number to represent a population.  The next question is:  what population?  Was this sample randomly selected from all scientists in the US?  Or does this &#039;sample&#039; represent &quot;the people who not only object to &#039;global warming&#039;, but are willing to come to our website and fill in an online survey, claiming they are a scientist, but we actually don&#039;t ask for any proof of any qualifications&quot;?

So, yeah.  Protect yourself from bad stats.  :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anxious Medic:  You&#8217;re right, 10,000 is quite a large enough number to represent a population.  The next question is:  what population?  Was this sample randomly selected from all scientists in the US?  Or does this &#8216;sample&#8217; represent &#8220;the people who not only object to &#8216;global warming&#8217;, but are willing to come to our website and fill in an online survey, claiming they are a scientist, but we actually don&#8217;t ask for any proof of any qualifications&#8221;?</p>
<p>So, yeah.  Protect yourself from bad stats.  :-D</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Daniels</title>
		<link>http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/climate-change-a-consensus-among-scientists/comment-page-3/#comment-19884</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Daniels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 23:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s prudent to point out that the 31,000 scientist who have signed it far outweigh the scientists who are actively working on global warming research with the U.N. I&#039;d love to see that visualized, as it would tell a different tale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s prudent to point out that the 31,000 scientist who have signed it far outweigh the scientists who are actively working on global warming research with the U.N. I&#8217;d love to see that visualized, as it would tell a different tale.</p>
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		<title>By: JoÃ£o Jesus</title>
		<link>http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/climate-change-a-consensus-among-scientists/comment-page-3/#comment-19858</link>
		<dc:creator>JoÃ£o Jesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this is merely the US. There are many other scientists worldwide so I think the % of skeptics would reduce even further</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this is merely the US. There are many other scientists worldwide so I think the % of skeptics would reduce even further</p>
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		<title>By: Anxious Medic</title>
		<link>http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/climate-change-a-consensus-among-scientists/comment-page-3/#comment-13306</link>
		<dc:creator>Anxious Medic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, boardmanric - that was Disraeli, not Twian, and as far as your &quot;math&quot; on how many scientists the consensus represents - where are you getting these numbers from?  If you new anything about stats a sample size of over 10 000 is a heck of a lot and more than enough to infer trends in a population, given proper randomization and requal representation from all fields, and surveying every member would be nigh impossible - that is why we have statistics.  To protect yourself from bad stats, learn about stats: don&#039;t dismiss them and call them lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, boardmanric &#8211; that was Disraeli, not Twian, and as far as your &#8220;math&#8221; on how many scientists the consensus represents &#8211; where are you getting these numbers from?  If you new anything about stats a sample size of over 10 000 is a heck of a lot and more than enough to infer trends in a population, given proper randomization and requal representation from all fields, and surveying every member would be nigh impossible &#8211; that is why we have statistics.  To protect yourself from bad stats, learn about stats: don&#8217;t dismiss them and call them lies.</p>
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		<title>By: gm</title>
		<link>http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/climate-change-a-consensus-among-scientists/comment-page-3/#comment-12973</link>
		<dc:creator>gm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple of comments:
- Galileo was not wrong, but he was most certainly not in the consensus group of his age. He followed the data, not the dogma.
- GW is now a dogma, heavily politicized and with massive business interests pushing it. Many of those who do have pure motives (saving the planet) are blinded by their dogma.
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On a personal note, as a lifelong environmentalist, I bought the whole GW thing hook, line and sinker until a friend challenged me to look at the data. I argued fiercely for it, trotting out all the usual info the GW crowd uses, then set out to prove my friend wrong. 

As a scientist, I looked at the data dispassionately and disccovered, to my great shock, that not only was there no compelling evidence for human-created CO2 causing GW, but  that there is no evidence that unusual GW exists outside the usual natural cycle, there is evidence that we are now entering a cooling cycle, and there is evidence that climate change over time has been caused by many things (sun, orbit, volcanos, undersea vents, etc etc).  I could go on for pages about all the very serious issues with the &quot;science&quot; behind GW, but others have already done this better than I could.

The problem with the GW hysteria is that it is directing resources and political will away from proven, serious, environmental issues that are doing harm to life on Earth (e.g. deforestation, poaching, fertilizer runoff, ocean garbage, ...)

Another problem is that we may go and do something really stupid (seeding the oceans with iron, putting an aerosol sunscreen around the earth, etc) that could actually disrupt the balance of nature and cause a true global catastrophy.

When it comes to climatology, we should think of ourselves as the Sorcerer&#039;s Apprentice. Anything we DO is likely to cause problems. (As opposed to anything we STOP doing, which would be beneficial, like stopping destroying the Americas rainforests)

Further, GW has now been twisted and co-opted to somehow justify misguided policies that redirect food to be used for fuel (ethanol), causing all sorts of negative, (presumably) unintended side effects.

gm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple of comments:<br />
- Galileo was not wrong, but he was most certainly not in the consensus group of his age. He followed the data, not the dogma.<br />
- GW is now a dogma, heavily politicized and with massive business interests pushing it. Many of those who do have pure motives (saving the planet) are blinded by their dogma.<br />
-</p>
<p>On a personal note, as a lifelong environmentalist, I bought the whole GW thing hook, line and sinker until a friend challenged me to look at the data. I argued fiercely for it, trotting out all the usual info the GW crowd uses, then set out to prove my friend wrong. </p>
<p>As a scientist, I looked at the data dispassionately and disccovered, to my great shock, that not only was there no compelling evidence for human-created CO2 causing GW, but  that there is no evidence that unusual GW exists outside the usual natural cycle, there is evidence that we are now entering a cooling cycle, and there is evidence that climate change over time has been caused by many things (sun, orbit, volcanos, undersea vents, etc etc).  I could go on for pages about all the very serious issues with the &#8220;science&#8221; behind GW, but others have already done this better than I could.</p>
<p>The problem with the GW hysteria is that it is directing resources and political will away from proven, serious, environmental issues that are doing harm to life on Earth (e.g. deforestation, poaching, fertilizer runoff, ocean garbage, &#8230;)</p>
<p>Another problem is that we may go and do something really stupid (seeding the oceans with iron, putting an aerosol sunscreen around the earth, etc) that could actually disrupt the balance of nature and cause a true global catastrophy.</p>
<p>When it comes to climatology, we should think of ourselves as the Sorcerer&#8217;s Apprentice. Anything we DO is likely to cause problems. (As opposed to anything we STOP doing, which would be beneficial, like stopping destroying the Americas rainforests)</p>
<p>Further, GW has now been twisted and co-opted to somehow justify misguided policies that redirect food to be used for fuel (ethanol), causing all sorts of negative, (presumably) unintended side effects.</p>
<p>gm</p>
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		<title>By: boardmanric</title>
		<link>http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/climate-change-a-consensus-among-scientists/comment-page-3/#comment-11054</link>
		<dc:creator>boardmanric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 03:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Mark Twain observed&quot; There are Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Mark Twain observed&#8221; There are Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: boardmanric</title>
		<link>http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/climate-change-a-consensus-among-scientists/comment-page-3/#comment-11050</link>
		<dc:creator>boardmanric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 03:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without going into &quot;publishing scientist&quot; and what that exactly means the total numbers still only represent 30% of all Scientist.  In other words 70% or 9,060,800 have not been heard from!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without going into &#8220;publishing scientist&#8221; and what that exactly means the total numbers still only represent 30% of all Scientist.  In other words 70% or 9,060,800 have not been heard from!</p>
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		<title>By: 6ave coupon code</title>
		<link>http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/climate-change-a-consensus-among-scientists/comment-page-3/#comment-10661</link>
		<dc:creator>6ave coupon code</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 06:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well climate change is the most serious concern today among scientists around the world.The warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global mean sea level.Ne ways keep sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well climate change is the most serious concern today among scientists around the world.The warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global mean sea level.Ne ways keep sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: Army rations</title>
		<link>http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/climate-change-a-consensus-among-scientists/comment-page-3/#comment-10498</link>
		<dc:creator>Army rations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>climate change is given by synthesis reports, scientific bodies of national or international standing, and surveys of opinion among climate scientists. This does not include the views of individual scientists, individual universities, or laboratories, nor self-selected lists of individuals such as petitions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>climate change is given by synthesis reports, scientific bodies of national or international standing, and surveys of opinion among climate scientists. This does not include the views of individual scientists, individual universities, or laboratories, nor self-selected lists of individuals such as petitions.</p>
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		<dc:creator>AdiciÃ³n al petrÃ³leo y distorsiÃ³n de la realidad. @ ciberdroide.com &#8211; Blog de Antonio Castro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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